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    September 13, 2010
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things that he says. 43% of you said yes, 57% of you said no. that's the "the ed show." "hardball"ith chris mathse starts right now. we'll see you back here tomorrow night for "the ed show" on msnbc. >> the eye of newt. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in boston. leading off tonight, going tribal. newt gingrich and the notorious political scavenr has drudged up his fall. the political strategist says the president of the united states is actually a zombie, animated by the ghost of his african father leading a kenyan quest. of the house aker
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said that this is a stun, most protective model. he called barack obama a con man who managed to trick america into electing him, quote -- what if obama is so outside of our comprehension that only if you understand kenyan, anti-colonialbehavior that you can begin to piece together his actions. that's what newt gingrich said this weekend. i want to know, can we go any further down this suer of hate. isn't it enough to fight over taxes and spending and wars?he do we have to attack the very americanness of the president, who brought this country such honor by his inspiring rise to office. plus, we heard john boehner say he would be willing to extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class. sounds like he's willing to compromise. maybe, or maybe he's luring democrats into a trap. we're going to ask the "hardball" strategists. also, the big political story in tomorrow's primaries, may come out of delaware, where a sarah palin/jim demint conservative may be poised to sce the biggest upset of the season. a win by odonna would be good
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news for the tea party but it could, it could cost a chance to take over the republican sen participate and how meg whitman's madmen managed to rip the top off a fight between two top democrats. injury brown and bill clinton. let me finish tonight with the inspiring sight i saw this weekend in front of independence hall. let's start with newt gingrich's tribal attack on the president. "newsweek's" is an msnbc political analyst. and also an msnbc political analyst. i think you have to go back to almost pagan rights to find this kind of commentary by a al major american official. talking about obama basically being a kenyan, anticolonial-type who's operated as his father's pawn. he's accusing him of conning us to elect him president. what do you make of newt, howard? >> i've been covering newt for many years. he's a bomb thrower.
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he's a guy who knows the weak point to attack. what's interesting to me here is he feels free to say anything at this point. it's a kind of free fire zone within the conservative movement. and newt, who's always trying tu say the most outrageous thing and that goes back many, many years, now has moved from saying outrageous things about the ethics of the house members in the democratic leadership 15, 18 years ago, to saying these thin about a man that newt himself has no evidence for what he's alleging here.te he really has absolutely none. his facts are wrong. as mr. weigepointed out on his page and i'm just really not surprised, but kind of depressed by it. >> david, you covered this kind of spiritual territory. ideological territory. he's accusing as basically a zombie. saying his father hated the british white guys. his son is kind of a zombie like figure.
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in fact governed by a ghost. this is the kind of crazy stuff that franklin graham, reverend franklin graham, you know my father voted republican every election i think he was in except maybe one philly local election. three of my brothers are republican. you cannot predict behavior from the father. americans don't buy that. we don't ask what your father did. we ask who are you. there's something really un-american about this stuff. i don't know what to call it. your thoughts, david. >> no, it was strange. >> strange? >> newt said this to me and robert coast is a great reporter for the "national review" and i could see a glint had his eyes when seeing this. he knew he was going to get a f people or two o analyzing what the heck he meant. just him getting the word kenyan into the news reminds me of that
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old lbj expression, make the sob deny it. on your show two years ago when hillary advisers started using the word, cocaine. >> you're chuckling, david. you think this is funny? you thin it's funny de-americanize somebody. this is what did years ago, you take an american -- you want to see the democrats do thiso nold schwarzenegger and talk about being an austrian and what maybe somebody in his family might have done once, do you want to go after t indian americans have done so well in the politics. nikki haley the governor of louisiana. are we going to go to this kind of tribal politics? it's not funny, david. >> i was just laughing in recognition, how obvious it is newt gingrich is doing here. i don't think that it's funny at all. this argument he's taking is on the cover of "forbes" magazine. why is that on the cover of "forbes" magazine? it's an incredibly flimsy article. >> the republican magazine and the republicans are out in full force. steve forbes may ha an interest in this. gingrich was reacting to a "forbes" cover story --
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howard? >> well, that's -- >> newt gingrich believing, he said this is brilliant. >> yes, i know. >> he said this is stunning. >> yeah. >> he said this is a perfect predictor of the behavior. >> all right, well, i think that david was that the event the other night, last saturday. and my sen of it is that newt was trying to impress the people around him waiting for pearls of attack wisdom from newt gingrich.
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but article by dennis de souza has tons of inaccuracy and misstated assumptions in it. it's a dream/nightmare of the right about obama. it's not really about obama. it's less about barack obama, president barack obama than it is about the fears and the nightmares than the resentments of the people who write articles like that. it is more of a window into desouza than barack obama. it has almost nothing to do with barack obama himself. yes, he wrote the book, but if you read that book, it's not about what danish de souza says it's about. >> who was it that said the other day they know less about this guy than anybody?. >> haley barbour. >> haleyte barbour. now newt goes after him for having written an autobiography. it seems like there's no way this guy can can win the argument of who he is. >> no, and this is a myth too they wooedon't know this about . if you go back and read barack
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obama's debut e speech in 2004, the first line is about how his threw throat clearing is about his fathoaer. was a tribesman in ke who herded goats. this has never been secret. he's been more open about this part of his life, his history, his relationship with his father. go back and read george bush's autobiography. or about bill clinton before he ran president. obama's been honest. it's just that they want people like gingrich, de souza want to keep poking a stick and hinting that there's some secret to the way he's governing. there is no secret. if this guy appointed larry summers and tim ithner and a bunch of mainstream american liberals and kienzians, this is -- stuff that makes no sense. >> chris, the harvard law school has a lot more to do with the way barack obama governs than kenya does, but citing the harvard law school has kind of lost its oomph.
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since john roberts is an alumnus of the harvard law school. >> what is this thing about inebriated? we've had a lot of top americans we've had a lot of successful, top americans that have overcook maybe as part of the reason to rise up as young men. certainly bill clinton, ronald reagan had fathers with alcohol problems and overcame that. difficult upbringing. here he is with the approval of newt gingrich, going back and lling his father a drunk. i mean, what is the point? here's gibbs. let the white house have their say. here they are in response to this stuff. let's listen to robert gibbs. >> i think newt gingrich knows that he's trying to, he's trying to appeal to the fringe of people that don't believe the president was born in this country. you would normally expect better, t look at his political season and most people will say anything and newt gingrich does that on generall -- a general basis. >> david, it seems to me that h gingrich has a history of finding racist on the part of
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liberals. gone arch shirley sherrod who was working for the agricultural department. calling her a black racist. he referred to sotomayor who was named to the supreme court and confirmed as a woman -- a latino woman racist. he seems to like to point that way. is this to give cover to something on his side? what's he up to here? why is he also saying racist, racist, racist, about minorities? >> well it's something that he didn't do quite as much ofwhen he had position of power. he's been in that crou for a while now. he did it when he was trying to get republicans back into power. he sees his job as getting on tv, getting arguments on to tv and into the discourse which he's doing here. it really isn't befitting the statesman, the speaker of the house. this almost reminds me of rand paul talking about civil rights act, as the kind of theory. there's things, it's perfectly
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fine -- well maybe not perfectly fine. these are things that are okay to dish about in an intellectual level but these are, you know, weird allegations to make about the president with a lot of innuendo that are really not befiing these politics and i don't think that he make that connection.he he's so used to being a political celebrity they don't think that he puts these things together anymore. >> howard, you and i talk politics a lot to unrstand the way people play the ga. let's talk about this, a awful and as evil that it it may number a game. could it be he's attacking barack obama when he's down? the pollare tough now. the right direction, wrong direction are terrible. president obama's approval rating is down at an all-time low. the democrats are facing a -- so why not hit his head while he's down. why don't you hit him in the cement while we've got him down. this argument may be useful two years from now. could it be this is an insurance policy? the unemployment rate could drop, the economy could get better in two years. barackbama could recover. but this smear will stick, and this is whmat they're hitteyingm with when they got him down. that's my thought p it's purely political but that's what newt is, i think.
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>> well, i think newt is visoral. he's a visceral attack guy. he wasn't very good as a speaker because he wasn't an affirmative character as much as a brilliant attack guy. here, he's doing the dirtiest of dirty work for thee conservativ coalition. why he feels he needs to do this, i'm not sure. he used to bmore focused on economics and issues like that. than he is on this. even though he came out of georgia, he was seen almost as a progressive in certain respects, for his -- the flavor of what he said 15, 18 years ago. why he's doing this now, i don't know. but u're right. it's to keep obama down and to try to turn the virtues of biography around on obama. let's not forget that obama sold himself originally and was embraced for it. i think the republicans understand that his biography is the strongest thing about barack obama. it has an only in america, uplifting quality to it. they can't stand the idea that barack obama has successfully
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appropriated an aspect othe americ ideal and they want to deny it to him even though it's two years after the election in preparation for the next election. i think that that is absolutely right what is going on. >> which he exemplifies, brings to life. the only country in the world where you can come to a name like barack hussein obama in a middle of the terrorist fight and the americ people will say we've looked enough a you, we're going to make you our leader. only here do we do that. that's what inspired me from the very beginning about our country and now, to turn it inside out. alsohey're turning it inside out about our country.im can't accept the simulation and that's the opposite of who we are. howard fineman, thank you. up next, the white house is escalating its words with john boehner. let's talk about something really wonderful intermural american for once. boehner says he'd be willing to extend the tax cuts if that's the only choice.
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if the only option i have is to vote for -- some those tax reductions, i'll vote for them. but i've been making the point now for months that we need to
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extend all the current rates for all american. >> welcome back to "hardball." with that statement on "face the nation" john boehner set out a fight with the white house to get control politically the tax ispoourp and of course by extensions of the midterm elections, who comes out the winner? this is fascinating and i don't know the answer. that's the question for the strategist steve mcmahon. is the democratic strategist. while you're laughing there the loudest there, tom harris. so explain to me, you know, everybody knows that there's more votes for people who make less than $250,000 a year. that's the way that economics work. ome a few people at the top. so what's he doingin here? is he just saying i will not get in the waive middle-class people -- and by the way, middle class extends to the highest of $250that's a lot. so let's just say that he doesn't want to be the big guy. what's boehner up to? >> well, what he's saying is thate's rather have tax cuts for the middle class than no tax cut at all.ly repeatedly said in that interview is that he doesn't think that that's what the choice is going to come down to.
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republans are pushing. boehner has been pushing for an extension across the board of all of the '01 and '03 tax cuts and as far as the political calculation, you, yourself know, chris that class warfare arguments almost never works in american politics. the dnc is working overboard right now, trying to turn this into a referendum on class warfare, but it's just not working. all you need for proof is to get out of washington and come to a place like florida, where i am now, and look at a candidate like alex sink, the democratic nominee in florida. she came out for an extension of all the bush tax cuts. so it's not juocst republicans. a lot of prominent democrats agree with this position as well. >> let me go back -- let me go back to steve. steve, why do you think what's going to with boehner? >> because he understands
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republicans' vulnerability, they look out for fat cats, wealthy people and wall street. what he's doing here is i think waving the white flag. basically saying, i'm not going do that to my members. maybe them walk the plank for tax cuts on millionaires, i'm not going to make them walk the plank on borrowing $700 billion in order to do it to the wealthiest americans. i think the interesting thing here is what it does to mitch mcconnell d some of those down scale voters in order to get re-elected. particularly the two women senators from maine. >> let's talk politics. >> steve, steve -- >> let's talk politics. a vote on the floor sometime before the election and one of the options on the floor is thel two-year full extension for everybody. and the other option is to only extend the tax cuts for people below $250,000. would the first one win, earnings therefore, knock the other one out of game? steve, could you stop democrats from contributing to a 218-point victory which i would assume get
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all of the republican votes to 218 to basically extend off. tax cuts? how could you stop it from passing before it ts to the floor? >> i don't think it will geta the floor. hold on a second. you asked a very good question and it would be a difficult question if not for the fact that the speaker controls the flow of legislation to the floor. atill get to the floor now with john boehner's support is a tax cut for everybody that makes $250,000 and under and what won't is what john boehner would like. it might get to the floor in the senate and the republicans will have to defend tax cuts. >> i agree. but steve -- back to todd. i'm not going to make a fight for it but you're already laughing. it seems that boehner has got himself in a position, okay, i'll vote for it if it's the only thing that we've got. give me one other option. let me have an up and down on everybody getting a tax cut. your thoughts, todd? >> he certainly has not waved a white flag and i'm only laughing because the class warfare fev argument from steve is very unbecoming but i think it's funny. >> it's fiscal discipline, todd. >> -- when -- when, when you've
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got more and moo when you've got more and more democrats every day coming out in support of extending all of the tax cuts, democrats like alex cink here in florida, the more the dnc tries to turn this into a class warfare argument the more that they're going to be undercutting their own candidates. i think that's really funny. >> the deference to todd, here's that ad that he keeps talking about. the dnc ad that goes after boehner. let's liss ten. >> do you think republicans have no plan for the economy? it's not true. john boehner opposes funding for government jobs. jobs foreachers, for cops, for firefighters. boehner has a different plan. tax cuts for businesses. those that shift jobs and profits overse. saving multinational corp rations $10 billion. >> do you think public employees are popular, steve? do you think that's a good ad to be running? i keep hearing people nashing their teeth that public employsies are making more than
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the regular people in the country. a what are the politics of this? >> first of all, politics are going after john boehner when most people in america don't know who john boehner is, which is questionable in my mind. >> i agree with you there. >> police officers and firefighters and teachers are popular and contributing members in their community and they consistently test well. the reason they're in that ad is because people don't want them run off of the job because of budget cuts. >> from a pure strategy standpoint, you know, both steve and i make tv ads, i agree. firemen, teachers, nurses, they're all very popular. for the average american though, if you talk about reducing the number of government workers, that's -- they'd say amen to. >> that's not what the ad does. >> this is why the people don't trust ads. what's the difference between ah cop, a fireman and a teacher
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who are working for the government and government workers, todd? >> here's the difference -- >> i'm sorry, steve. >> okay, there's a huge difference. cops, firemen, teachers are on the front lines, actually, i think most people think that they actually earn their salaries. the average government bureaucrat who sitbehind a desk and pushes paper, we have too many of them -- oh, please. they'd support an across-the-board cut. >> steve, would you defend the average worker that doesn't get scene, how come they look so bad? how come the unseen public employee is hated, but the seen public employee is sort of liked? . >> well it's understanding the job that ty do. people clearly understand the job, teach or firefighter does. when you talk about the faceless, nameless, government bureaucrat, nobody understands. but when you explain to them
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it's the person who is picking up your garbage every day, or the person who is making sure that people drive with driver's licenses and auto insurance, and then they appreciate them a little bit more. but generally it's a slur. the government bureaucrat is definitely a slur. >> driver's license. i'm glad steve has not come out in favor of huge expansions of people who sit around the dmv and do noing all day. >> bottom line. bottom line we get on election eve. the people go to vote. which two realities will they face? will they have the democrats saying the republicans held up the tax cut for the middle class because all they care about is the rich or will republicans be able to say all the democrats want to do is isl.futs around w this bill. todd, you first. what will they be saying? >> anytime we're talk about taxes, it's a good issue for republicans. i think the democrats are going to cave and come our way. >> gift full tax cut. go ahead, your thoughts, steve. what will the voter be thinking
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when he or she votes? >> everyone's taxes are going up because republicans insisted that millionaires and billionaires should get the same kind of treatment that average work class families will get and i think that the republicans will lose it and i think that john boehner knowsty which is why he waved the white flag on sunday. >> you know you're not going to get the 60 votes in the senate. what is the truth is here. boehner knows it. all three of us know it. be the end, they won't get the tax cuts that they want because the democrats won't be able to get the 60 votes. i'm not sure you're right, steve, going to throwl. in the white towel. what is it, the white towel. >> white flag. >> white towel. white flag. thank you, todd and steve. up next, john boehner is hearing about his smoking habit. wait'll you hear this conversation between bob schaefer of "face the nation" and a major political figure about, bob licked the habbist smoking and now he wants this other guy to do it. what is this a crusade from schaefer? maybe. this is going to be a win-win. win-win.
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back to "hardball." and now "the sideshow." is john boehner calling it quis with his smoking habit, that is. watch what he told bob schieffer yesterday on "face the nation." >> mr. boehner, i'm going to ask you this question because i'm not objective about this. i'm a cancer survivor. i used to be a heavy smoker. do you still smoke? >> i do. bob, tobacco was a legal product in america. the american people vey right to decide for themselves whether they want to partake or not. >> if you should become speaker, you could set a good example for the country by saying i'm not going to smoke. maybe you could get the president. i understand he smokes, too. maybe the two of you could find a way to try to stop smoking. that would be a good thing, wouldn't it?
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>> bob, i appreciate your suggestion. >> bob, a noble effort. now to the big number. as the saying goes, it appears the cake is baked this november. what are the chances that republicans will gain control on the house come november 2nd by nightfall? 67% the republicans have a 2-in-3 shot of taking over the house of representatives. up next republican mike castle was a shoo-in many thought to win the senate seat in delaware. until the tea party challenger rolled over him in the polls. are the republicans on the verge of losing a race that they had in the bag? you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. ♪ ♪ ♪
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welcome back to "hardball." the republan primary in delaware, the little state of delaware, tomorrow could mark big implications for the republicans nationwide and their ability to take ostu.s. senate is possible. republican mike castle spinning off a tough challenge with christine o'donnell. and polls show she's in the race of his life. and that's a race that's too close to call. here's a couple of ads that reflec t what's going on there. let's watch. >> do you recognize this delaware politician? here's some hints. according to "the news journal," she didn't pay thousands in income taxes, had to be sued by a university for thousands h of unpaid bills. defaulted on her mortgage. she ran up a huge campaign debt and used campaign funds to pay her rent and personal expenses.i say hello to christine o'donnell.
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>> and sarah palin of alaska has recorded an ad and robocall for christine o'donnell. the tea partier. here's part of it. >> hi this is governor sarah palin. vote for christine o'donnell for u.s. senate this tuesday. the wave of positive change can really sweep across our land with the election of constitutional conservatives like christine, who promise to use common sense and rein in federal government spending. i can relate to the vicious personal attacks on christine and can tell you, it's sad to see iothestablishment's desperation in this. >> wow. joining me is radio talk show host, dan gaffene and chris cillizza. dan, do the voters of delaware know how important this is tomorrow, that this could affect the outside chance of the republicans grabbing the senate as well as the house come november. >> yeah, i think many do, but some my talk radio callers don't care. they're more interested in winning the actual battle than
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the war. and there's such a wind of anticassel, you know there's an anti-cassel wind in the air, and even when presented with the fact that cassel has a better chance at beating the democratic koons many people don't care anyway. they want to vote him out any way. >> that sounds like the democratic left sometimes. alled ndc. cillizza, you're shaking your head. the one thing about a polarized electorate is that it doesn't care about practical electoral consequence. >> yep. >> by the way i want to gi a salute if not a positive salute a reality check to the far right. bob bennett was knocked off. the guy who beat him, lee, who is going to win the general. chris has been bumped out, but rubio could win that. he's ahead in the polls down there. specter was knocked out of his party, but, too, he's well ahead by seven points in p.a. and who am i missing? murkows murkowski? well i have to bet what's his name up there, joe miller's going to win that. or if he gets in that thing
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clean one on one. so you could argue that the tea party's have had a good record of positioning themselves to win generals. maybe not in nevada, but other places. >> chris, first of all, isn't it amazing we're talking about delaware? this is a state we never thought we would be talking about. number two, alaska, utah, those states, the one thing that is different, delaware, this is a democratic state. mike castl.e's been elected for more than 40 years. he's been the governor of the state. the at-large representative. this is not a state where whoever wants to be republican nominee -- utah alaska. but it's a big leg up. >> let me give you some history, young fellow. joe biden, back in 1972, bumped out a guy who d won the house seat -- and you go in here, dan, you're the expert. a house member, senate member, for "x" many terms.n joe biden at the age of 29 knocked him out of his seat and held it for 40 year, so isn't it
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possible christine o'donnell could be a senator for life? we don't know, do we? >> what myriginal opinion was that if she wins tomorrow, we would say hello, senator coons. but i'm starting to think if she pulls it off tomorrow, she could do anything. >> what's your state like these days? is it as unhappy as the rest of the country and could say, she's not quite prepared or maybe this other fellownes has more executive experience. thloc way that we make decisions may not play out this year. >> n chr, it's very emotional. there's a lot of antiestablishment, anti-incumbent sentiment. the tea party is strong. there are three counties, the two lower county, much more conservative, much more likely to go to christine o'donnell. the others, the city of urban. more likely to go to mike cassel. w however, will he win enough to take the whole state?
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it's a crapshoot. all of my political pundit friends are saying the same thing to me. i don't know. >> let talk about the country. chris, let's pull back and look at the whole country. people who a watching from california who want to know this. it's possible with boxer in play, with patty murray in play, with harry reid in play with russ fine gold in play, the democrats could lose the senate. it's possible on a bad night, a wave night, you're an expert, right? delaware matters. >> you used the word, chris, shoo-in. that's exactly right. i ked chr kuehnes. i never knew that he would beat christine o'donnell. you never know what's going to happen. doesn't mean she's not going to win, but not as stro a candidate. now you're looking at winning two out of three, you're talking about winning all three. is it possible? yes. polling suggests it could happen, but in order, i think
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wisconsin, california, washington, even the most sort of optimtic republican strategists say we'd love to win two ouof three, but two out of three and losing delaware -- >> okay. i think that you're so smart. >> the majority. >> let me go t gaviny. a fellow irishman. i have to ask you this do you think it could be the like guys like joe biden and guys like me who were smart enough to make the r? i'm lookg at this situation. it's a crapshoot. you cannot predict this year they recognize your name and say, i knew that name three months ago. they don't like you. isn't that true? >> it is true. isbow biden should have gotten this yr. >> could he have beatenither of these candidates. beaten cassel or o'donnell? >> i think that he could have. >> really? biden, absolutely. >> chris, can i make one quick point that matters.
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alaska, august 24th, what was interesting about that state? a small state by population, a relatively number of small people, we were not sure who were voting. a small number of people, pedelawarea small state where a few people, that's why republican strategists are neous. everyone i talk to today say we think he's going to win, but we don't know. >> okay. tell me something i don't know, cillizza. is murkowski going to go three in alaska? >> no. even if she did, it's very, very put another "very" in there, difficult. >> gaffeny, what is the first state? >> the first state, we are the first state. >> thank you so much. an easy way to end. delaware's the firsttate. thank you. >> why do i get that question? >> because y're on the show too often. thank you, chris, da up next, meg whitman has spent over $100 milln on her campaign for governor. now, she's trying to use bill clinton toring down her opponent, jerry brown. what an ad she's put on the air.
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brown and clinton butted heads when running for president in 1992. she's ripped the scab off that and got them fighting again i guess. i guess it's good politics. it's nasty stuff. lk
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wee just talking about that hot republican primary tomorrow. minnesota congresswoman michelle bachmann. said hello to the host and proclaimed, quote, christine, delaware's next governor! of course, christine o'donnell is running for the u.s. senate. "hardball" will be right back. ♪
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california's republican candidate for governor, meg whitman fashioned an entire ad on tv on the attack back in '92 during a primary debate. here's the ad. >> jerry brown's good old days. but what really happened? >> cnn, not me. cnn says his assumption was quote, just plain wrong. jerry brown went out there and took credit for the fact that the people of california voted for proposition 13, which lowered taxes, which he opposed and no and taking credit for it. he raised taxes as governor of california. he had a surplus he took office and a deficit when he left. he doesn't tell people the truth. >> well, and then brown, the guy running for governor, took t war of words to a new level when he assailed the ad by invoking clinton's impeachmenordeal. let's listen.
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>> well, we'll see how that plays out. willie brown is the former mayor of san francisco. the the former speer of the assembly out there, let's establish one fact. margaret carlson weapon bloomberg. first let' start before the rngamarole right now. he wrote the report back then. governor brown did not raise taxes -- let's get back now to the facts straight. there's no evidence that brown raised taxes while he was governor. but margaret, to you first.
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why would jerry brown reignite despite this clevness of this brilliant ad by meg whitman. jerry brown make a fight with the most popular democrat in the untry? and for jerry brown to bring it up about such a popular democrat is lunacy, really. bill clinton was never going to come and campaign for jerry brown there were a lot of wounds in that campaign including jerry brown attacking hillary clinton but you don't want bill clinton against you in a state whe he's very popular. >> well, that may be. i've been trying to figure it out and you may be right, mayor
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brown, he would have come out there for barbara boxer and she's in aough race and he would have said good things about brown along the way. i guess this is tricky now. >> well, let's be very clear. i think senator clinton, as is the case with nowe secretary o state hillary clinton will be in california. that's just the way the political game is played and i thk she will say good things about all of the democratic candidates. even more importantly i think president bill clinton will be in california and probably more than one timand he, too, will say good things about democratic candidates. jerry brown has to be very, very careful. he's so bright, so able and so combative on every occasion when anybodyac attacks him he flashe back. and this is one of those occasions when he just made a tactical error, he did not know
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somebody was there, with the televisi cera, watching and hearing exactly what he says. that position before and i know how awful it is. >> margaret, whath politicians centu century? they can't remember they're in the 21st century. you have a guy or a woman in the back, i don't care if they're 3 years old, they have a cell phone and it's pointed at you, pay attention. there's no secret meetings anymore. >> a moment that went around the world. jerry brown is pretty smart. he is one of the spontaneous politicians because you and i had dinner with him a few years ago and he hadn't lost any of s -- i mean, it was a reporters dinner, where he's just an original. and he can't hold back and i bet that was his line. it just came out of his mouth, nobody gave it to him ahead of ti time. he couldn't resist. >> you know, the mayor brown -- jerry brown's been in my house weekends with my kids, my grown-up kids, he narrates the
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morning. we're having breakfast, we're making some coffee, we're talking about the day. he's always giving that running narrative. i guess that's his problem. he was giving us too much of a narrative about what happened 18 years ago. >> well, margaret is correct. jerry brown is an original. she's correct, though, nobody can supply a him with any words. he creates all of his own words and then finally, you're right again, he's not in the 21st century because he must know that he is being followed 100% of the time. if meg whitman spent more than $100 million doing all the things that she can can, she can have people follow him around with a camera and some will be democrats and th will turn in their information every night. so he's just got to watch out for that prospect. >> yeah, i have no reason to believe that meg whitman is as smart as the ad she put on the air. the woman who made that ad is one genius. that is one piece of work.
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let me finish tonight with something good that came of this book burning craziness and the w related issue of the new york islamic center. this saturday i stood facing independence hall as a group of islam islamic, jewish and christian leaders prayed for interreligious tolerance. governor ed rendell spoke of the great irony that circles around the new york islamic center to be built two blocks from the world trade center. he said that the people of the world trade towers themselves had set aside a stairwell between 106 and 107 floor for the muslim workers who worked there to say their daily prayers. he says the space was made available because people working high in the towers would have had to go down 100 floors and walk four blocks to the nearest mosque. rendell said it was ironic he
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would be so comfortable leading what was a demonstration of interfaith respect forir all thr holy texts of the three great religions, emphatically including the koran as he pointed out the governor of pennsylvania himself happens to be jewish. the people who spoke in front of independence hall must have known a small counter point to the vast global publicity stunt earned by the pastor who threatened to burn the koran. they were there anyway proud to remind themselves if only those who heard about it that this country was founded on religious freedom, that every person who came freely came here for more freedom, to think and worship freely. newt gingrich said something awful this week, said the president of the united states represents kenyan antiolonial thinking. to de-americanize president obama, plays into the thinking of those who say the president is not an american. weirdly gingrich goes further. he declares barack obama to be some zombie walking aroundnder the guidance of his african father. who better honors the values of